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Kurt & Karofsky

Just as a general curiosity, what are y'all's opinions on how Karofsky feels about Kurt? Do you think he's in love with Kurt in some weird fashion? Is it just that Kurt is the physical manifestation of what he hates about himself?

Me, I think I'm of the second mind. I don't think Karofsky is necessarily "in love" with Kurt. Yes, the kiss happened. But I do think that maybe it just stemmed from a situation where he just had all these feelings and didn't know what to do with them so they all got unleashed on Kurt. If that makes sense.

So, what so you all?

BTW - I'm pretty much spoiler free for tomorrow's episode. So, if you know specifics of what happens that has bearing on this, please do not say. Thanks!

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I think that Karofsky is sort of attracted to Kurt (in love with him? No). The confrontation in the locker room was a manifestation of that attraction added in with everything Karofsky doesn't like about himself.

Did that make sense? I'm really tired, lol.

Yeah, what she said. I think Karofsky might be attracted to Kurt in the same way I'm attracted to, say, Nathan Fillion (I like the way he looks and appears in interviews, etc, but I really don't know anything about the man), Ka I don't think knows much about K the person, and the kiss was emotions over spilling.

Exactly - Karofsky hates that he feels anything for Kurt, which is ramps up the other emotions until it spilled over into the kiss...and it's also why their encounters took on a slightly sexual tone post kiss (most notably the scene were Karofsky takes the cake topper).

So, you think Karofsky has actual feelings for Kurt? Interesting...

Now that you mention that cake topper scene. Ooo, boy. I got chills during that scene. Seriously. Even just thinking about it now gives me the willies.

I think he feels something - or he wouldn't react so strongly. It's a lot of things that make me think that. The cake topper scene, Karofsky for the first (and only so far) time calling Kurt by hist first name only to ask if Blaine was his boyfriend, the weak "maybe he likes me" defense in the parent meeting. I don't think it's love (what ever it is, it's fucked up, that's for sure), but there's something more than "your the symbol of everything I hate about myself so I'm going to make your life miserable".

It's definitely way fucked up, whatever it is. Tomorrow should be interesting for sure.

It really will. I NEED IT SO BADLY. It feels like it's taking forever to be Tuesday and yet I can't believe it's tomorrow.

I don't think Karofsky is in love with Kurt, but Kurt's probably the only gay guy he knows so there are some misplaced feelings he's putting on Kurt, but mostly, yes—I think he hates himself for being gay and therefore hates Kurt "THE GAY." Hitting Kurt is basically like hitting himself. (Maybe if he can beat the gay out of Kurt there's hope for him?)

I've always been very interested in characters who hate themselves and then find ways to beat themselves up. My favorite instance of this was on Buffy, but I have to say, I really enjoy the Karofsky and Kurt storyline.

I don't think Karofsky is in love with Kurt, but Kurt's probably the only gay guy he knows so there are some misplaced feelings he's putting on Kurt

That's what I was trying to get at, but don't think I actually got there.

Anyway, yes the possible "redemption" issue that relates to this is also interesting. It almost makes me think, going back a few eps to when we met his dad and they had that meeting in Principal Sues office, that perhaps he realized he was gay, his dad made some awful homophobic remark and boom! Personality change. He started hating himself, acting out, etc. I am anxiously awaiting tomorrow's ep to see what happens.

The brief glimpse we got of his dad didn't strike me as the kind of man who would make a homophobic remark if he knew his son was struggling. I mean, he seemed pretty aware of his son and was quick to allow the blame to be cast on him and didn't fight back the way oblivious parents would (in my experience). I don't think the dad is the catalyst for the behavior.

I don't think it had to have been any necessarily sort of "Gays are evil and must burn in hell!" kind of comment. It could have been something like "That's so gay" or a stupid gay joke. But something happened to flip a switch in Karofsky's head. And that's maybe one possibility.

I think it's possible that Karofsky is attracted to kurt, but not in a traditional way. I think that secretly karofsky is jealous of kurt, because kurt is what he can't be.

Deep down, Karofsky wants to be at peace with himself and his sexual orientation but he can't quite manage it. Meanwhile, here's kurt, who's not only out of the closet, but is vocal and proud about who he is. Not only that, but Kurt has found acceptance with his friends and (perhaps most importantly) his father, which is something that Karofsky can't have.

The whole confrontation in the locker room was kinda like rubbing it in Karofsky's face, you know?

And random factoid, did you know the guy who plays Karofsky (Max Adler) had a 4.0 in high school? True story.

Deep down, Karofsky wants to be at peace with himself and his sexual orientation but he can't quite manage it.

I think that's where a lot of it is for me, too. And the jealousy thing. If this guy who's a nobody by high school standards can be happy with who he is why can't he?

I have actually thought about this too much, *ducks*. I think Karofsky is physically attracted to Kurt, and hates both himself and Kurt because of it, but has decided to 'blame' Kurt. Honestly, I subscribe to this because Karofsky's bullying became more focused on Kurt and more intense right about the time Kurt sprouted up a few inches and visibly matured on the show -- Kurt hit a growth spurt mid-to-late-season-1 (see the Madonna ep), and suddenly wasn't so baby-faced and Karofsky noticed (see 'Theatricality'), and hates that he noticed, because he doesn't like his own reaction to it.

I do NOT think Karofsky is in love with him, though; I think there's a difference between pure physical attraction and 'having feelings' in an emotional sense, and Karofsky is pretty screwed up emotionally, so any 'feelings' he has about Kurt are twisted and warped into blaming Kurt for any attraction he's experiencing. Essentially, he's decided it's Kurt's fault for being gay and not hiding it, and if he just torments Kurt enough, maybe he'll stop being attracted to him. Plus you add in all the stuff about Karofsky potentially envying Kurt's freedom and the way he doesn't apologize for who he is, but fearing being on the receiving end of what Kurt already puts up with -- yeah, Karofsky is just seriously screwed up, as far as I'm concerned.

Ooooh, I like your thoughts on this.

I think I agree with pretty much all this. He's attracted to Kurt for sure, otherwise I don't think the kiss would have happened at all.

I don't think Karofsky's in love with Kurt. I think he's attracted to him, and I think he hates it. I think he takes that hate out on Kurt. I think Karofsky hates how he feels when he sees Kurt and he blames Kurt for that. I don't think Karofsky could love Kurt. Not with the way he's been treating him. Violence, borderline-sexual harrassment, and death threats don't make for a happy, loving relationship. (Unless the couple in question like that sort of thing, but Kurt doesn't strike me as someone who does like that sort of thing.)

Besides, didn't Kurt even tell Karofsky to his face that Karofsky wasn't his type? (I'm half asleep, can't remember.)

Karofsky needs help. From a professional. Maybe once he learns to accept and love himself, then he'll be able to love someone else.

(And by that time, Kurt and Blaine will be married and happy together. Hopeless Klainer here.)

Yeah, Kurt told Karofsky in the locker room that he wasn't his type. ("Well, guess what ham hock? You're not my type.")

Maybe once he learns to accept and love himself, then he'll be able to love someone else.

Yes. But how long will that take.....

Ha, thought so! That scene is one I don't often go back to, but I thought I remembered that.

Not sure I really care when or if Karofsky ever comes to an understanding about himself. As long as after tonight's episode, he stays the hell away from Kurt and gets some sort of therapy, I'll be a very happy woman. (Not a Karofsky fan, obviously.)

I sort of care in the sense that his journey is a really interesting story and I think it could be important for other people to see. You know like, gay isn't just Kurt. People like Karofsky are gay, too. Just like there's a whole rainbow if straight, there's a whole rainbow of gay. If that makes sense....

Oh, it makes sense.

And I agree that this story could be a big help for people who are in Karofsky's situation, I think I've read that it's already helped people.

I, PERSONALLY, can't get myself to feel anything but dislike for Karofsky. But I can understand if this is helping people. I don't want closeted gay teenage boys and girls or men and women killing themselves or hurting themselves. This storyline is good, in that it's helping people. That's what's important.

I don't like Karofsky. But I DO NOT want to see him commit suicide because he can't handle being gay. I do want to see him get help, as long as his 'victim' (Kurt) isn't the one to help him. It shouldn't be Kurt's job to help his bully. That should be a therapist's job and Karofsky's parents job.

(Obviously, I have a lot of FEELINGS about this! LOL!! I really hope this makes some sense. It seems kind of rambling to me.)

I totally get the thing about having FEELINGS about things. LOL

I can't stand Karofsky, either, really. But at the same time I feel really bad for him. I've read some spoilers about Kurt's possible involvement in the continued Karofsky storyline and I'm not sure how I feel about them. On one hand, they feel really OOC for Kurt, but also not in one sense if you remember some of the other things he's done. I don't know. I guess we'll find out in about 5 hours!!!

I agree. He's in the closet and doesn't have an outlet for his feelings.

Yay for being spoiler-free!

*thumbs up*

Tonight is gonna be awesome!

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