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I ranted over in [livejournal.com profile] fanvidrants about the current trend I'm seeing of songs being all chopped down to less than two minutes. And how much I hate it. Apparently, no one agrees with me. And all the comments are making me think that I don't vid the same way everyone else apparently does.

I don't start with a story and try to find a song or part of a song that fits it. It all starts with the song and I vid the song. That's it. I'm not trying to shove things together that only work if I use this little bit here and that bit there.

Not that either way is necessarily right or wrong. It just seems odd that I seem to have such a fundamentally different view of creating a vid. It's weird...

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Date: 2010-04-22 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angstbunny.livejournal.com
I don't vid, but if I ever did, it'd be like what you said there: It all starts with the song and I vid the song. Because it's so often that a song sparks a cascade of mental images from a source material. I understand judicious snipping of a song, but chopping a lot of it down to under 2 minutes? Ew. I haven't encountered any of those though, but it sounds kinda eh to me.

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Date: 2010-04-22 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] switch842.livejournal.com
Because it's so often that a song sparks a cascade of mental images from a source material.

This is exactly what happens with me. I'm listening to a song and I just get flashes of the show running along with it. Then it gets in my brain and won't go away until I get it done. LOL

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Date: 2010-04-22 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] or-mabinogi.livejournal.com
I'll be weird with you because I'm the same way. When a song strikes me with that mallet that says "Use me for x fandom, like right now!" then I must oblige. It never really occurred to me to alter the length of a song to make it happen. (Actually, this one time, I had two remixes that I couldn't decide between and made a serious effort to find a mixing program to combine them into one usable mix. But that never came to fruition.)

Caveat emptor, Kawoosh! would host video challenges that were sometimes meant to be 30 or 60 second trailers. In which case I could justify taking a small portion of a score. But I don't think this is the trend of which you speak.

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Date: 2010-04-22 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] switch842.livejournal.com
Well, good. We'll be weird together. :-)

I get the challenges. Because it's, well, a challenge. Not the norm that it seems to be nowadays...

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Date: 2010-04-22 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djfavorite.livejournal.com
I've only made a few vids and I got inspiration from a couple of places. Most of my vids come from the song first and then trying to find the 'images' to fit the song. The exception was my "Indiana Jones Theme" song. I got the inspiration for that vid from the creation Daniel Jackson t-shirt from 2 years ago.

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Date: 2010-04-22 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] switch842.livejournal.com
A couple of the ones I've done for Creation have sort of started with idea first. Like the Michael intro vid they made a request for. But even then, it was all about finding the song, not the verse or chorus, that would serve the purpose.

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Date: 2010-04-22 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daniel-shadow.livejournal.com
Seriously I don't like chopping down a song for a vid. I love to connect with the emotions of the song with the actual visual stimuli. That's me.

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Date: 2010-04-22 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] switch842.livejournal.com
Yes! It's about the emotions. There was this one vid someone posted a couple months ago to this Rob Thomas song that I knew would make a really great vid, but I didn't think I could do it, because it's Wincest and that's hard to do. I got soooooo excited!!! Then I clicked the link and the song had been chopped to like 1:30. Not cool. Either vid the song or don't.

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Date: 2010-04-22 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kj-svala.livejournal.com
THIS, THIS and THIS !!!

I`ve talked about this several times already, it annoys the hell out of me if a song is chopped down this much that there`s hardly anything left of it.

But apparently this is how it is surposed to be done these days. If you do different, you`re not up to date anymore.

some years ago almost no one came up with the idea of cutting down a song this much, these days, it`s all over the place.

brave girl, for making the public entry at this comm *cheers you*

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Date: 2010-04-22 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] switch842.livejournal.com
Thank you! I am glad to see that I'm apparently not the only one thinking this. I was just soooooo surprised that all the responses were, "That's not anything to rant about. You don't need to use the whole song to tell your story." Well, yeah, I do. Cos I'm telling the story of the song. Not vice versa.

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Date: 2010-04-22 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littleheaven70.livejournal.com
In the community I hang out with, that's not really too prevalent, so maybe it's part of a particular fandom that does it? For me it all starts with the song, too. I hear a song that screams "vid XYZ to me!" and I do it. I have cut songs down but only when faced with something really long, like 6 minutes. I've reduced one to 3 minutes, but kept the structure intact. At the moment I want to edit a song to move the third verse after the bridge, because otherwise the narrative doesn't work, even though overall the song is perfect. But it will stay the same length. Anything cut down to a minute isn't a vid, it's a vidlet, which is a genre all of its own.

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Date: 2010-04-22 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] switch842.livejournal.com
It seems to be extremely prevalent with Supernatural fandom. It seems like every link I click on lately has every song chopped down to less than two minutes. It's completely ridiculous. Though I guess that's what allows people to churn out a new vid every week. Sorry, I'll take my time and make something I'm proud of.

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Date: 2010-04-22 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littleheaven70.livejournal.com
*nod nod* I've seen some incredible vidlets, but there are a percentage that are just lazy vidding, to be sure. I'm with you in that I'd rather put the time in to create something I'm really happy with, and I don't think I'd get the same satisfaction out of popping out a vidlet a week.

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Date: 2010-04-22 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jillybiehn.livejournal.com
Well, Kerri, embrace the difference. Your vids have won awards and contests, so...hmmm...

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Date: 2010-04-22 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] switch842.livejournal.com
Hmm... You are right, I suppose. ;-)

Though I have submitted a couple vids to some online vidding contests and get squat with that. But, hey, Creation seems to like what I do. :-)

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Date: 2010-04-23 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amnellwyvern.livejournal.com
I haven't vidded in ages, but I'm like you. I don't like all of the short vids I'm seeing now. When I have vidded, I've always picked the song first and then picked the clips to match the song.

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Date: 2010-04-23 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] switch842.livejournal.com
Yeah, cos it's like otherwise, why bother? It seems like with all these short vids you could substitute just about any song and it would still be OK. That's now how you make a good vid.

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